Comments on: What makes scientists not comment online?

By: Alex

Alex — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:54:00 +0000

to Barbara & Joanna -
right, agree about grapho-maniacs and bullshitters in comments,
solution = 1. there is a moderator who should filter bullshit and lead discussion in the right way;
2. users can easily recognize those kind of people and ignore them, don’t take these comments seriously;

About confidence and “not an expert” -
solutions:
1. your curiosity (if you really care about topic/article of discussion) will take over and you will start comment, frequently you can do it anonymously;
2. don’t afraid to ask! if you’re not an expert = you’re student - author is an expert, ask him/her - he/she will be more then happy to answer ANY question about work what was done, don’t afraid ask “stupid” (in your opinion) question, you don’t know the level of others

Discussions need to be useful!!! Great point!
solution:
1. make them useful, don’t comment just for comment;
2. discussion is an exchange of useful information - so every participant should be really careful to keep it useful - in this case everybody going to benefit from it!

hard to read through discussions -
YES!
solution:
developers working on that and maybe will give us some form of discussions what will be extremely easy to read, go through text - with hyperlinks and visualization, possibility to search through text and filter only what you need

to cc:
If authors are not right - it’s should be public ASAP because we can loose time, considered it was right because it was published in Nature;
as fast we will fix the problem by open discussion on it, as will increase impact of academic science to society, find way for practical application of scientific findings in real life and translate research to the clinic, finally cure diseases (an example in biomedical research)
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PS: I think this discussion is very productive!

By: cc

cc — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:18:31 +0000

Maybe people are afraid of speaking up and saying such and such paper is ‘crap’ because they are scared of backlash, creating animosity or offending the authors. They can discuss about it in journal club or lab meetings etc because the authors are not there. Just my naive opinion!

By: Joanna

Joanna — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:31:52 +0000

Three things to add:
1. Jae-won makes a good point - it’s hard to read through discussions, especially since people tend to repeat things and argue back and forth, which leads me to #2:

2. in order for discussions to become popular, they need to be useful. To be useful (in my opinion) they need to be efficient, leave the reader more educated than before, and be somehow managed to keep on point with their purpose (to be useful).

3. I don’t comment because I don’t consider myself an expert. I speculate that many other people don’t comment for the same reason, or because they ask, ‘what’s the point if I do? who will read this and who will care?’. There is no guarantee that a comment will lead to a good discussion at all. Until that changes, I doubt people will be encouraged to discuss.

By: Barbara

Barbara — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:06:32 +0000

some guys are not confident(like me),but most of them are just lazy
And be carefull- there r some people (grapho-maniacs)that just like to share their opinions (sometimes not even worth reading)

By: Jae-Won Shin

Jae-Won Shin — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:37:02 +0000

I’ll put an article about this topic. Long discussion is not always necessarily a good example of discussion, like your link from The Scientist; I don’t know about the first people, but for someone who reads that article right now, it is even difficult and rather inefficient to read all of those comments and comment back…

By: Alex

Alex — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:22:12 +0000

to Joanna -
thank you for comment, I agree.
Other thing what I was thinking how to stimulate scientist to comment is that show them good examples
for ex: Participate in our stem cell cloning discussion By The editors of The Scientist.

= 69 comments!

but still, it’s not an article.

By: Joanna

Joanna — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:10:42 +0000

A more compelling article will be if you write something about the negative effects of not discussing, before you encourage people to speak.

I think the worst things are:
not communicating leads to lack of knowledge spreading. It used to be that paper publication was the best and most reliable way to communicate ideas. Now, there’s the internet. If we don’t embrace it, science won’t be able to jump to the next level.